04-28-2023, 12:10 AM
Ok, my opinion on these...
But first, we used to have an indoor 100 yd range with the returning targets thing but unfortunately it just closed down, owner's health.
I did a lot of shooting and load dev there, it was a great place (Northern Va).
On those tuners, got into a bit of discussion on them yesterday at the outdoor range I'll be using now.
My conclusion of them is, for a fixed ammo (fixed bullet/charge), varying the "barrel length" like this tuner does, could help although objective reviews are few and far between. Chris Long's OBT (the method I use) looks to find the load/bullet that works for a fixed length barrel. Something you have a lot more control over. The guy at the range was using a tuner on is 10/22, and I think on a 223, but admitted he doesn't do -- and doesn't believe in -- developing handloads.
On the PRS websites and Accurate shooter sites, all the surveys I have seen say winning shooters use either hand loads, or a very few do use some factory match loads that work well for them in one of their barrels. I didn't see any tuners, now maybe I've just forgotten but sure haven't made an impression on me as to $$ well spent.
So spending ~$250 - that much on a piece of gear that might provide a small benefit, doesn't make sense to me. I did a review of brakes couple yrs ago, to see who evaluated them for actual recoil reduction and muzzle rise, to see some, again, objective tests with repeatable data. That's how I landed on the VG 65 gamma's. Costing from $50-$75 and using a jam nut means they are cost effective and self "tunable" so you don't spend $150 on a GS doing the mounting/tuning of the brake onto your barrel.
For a 24" 6 Arc, like I mentioned, the recoil is right minimal, less than a 223 IMO.
Load workups work. And they allow you to get familiar with your gun, which is a definite need.
But first, we used to have an indoor 100 yd range with the returning targets thing but unfortunately it just closed down, owner's health.
I did a lot of shooting and load dev there, it was a great place (Northern Va).
On those tuners, got into a bit of discussion on them yesterday at the outdoor range I'll be using now.
My conclusion of them is, for a fixed ammo (fixed bullet/charge), varying the "barrel length" like this tuner does, could help although objective reviews are few and far between. Chris Long's OBT (the method I use) looks to find the load/bullet that works for a fixed length barrel. Something you have a lot more control over. The guy at the range was using a tuner on is 10/22, and I think on a 223, but admitted he doesn't do -- and doesn't believe in -- developing handloads.
On the PRS websites and Accurate shooter sites, all the surveys I have seen say winning shooters use either hand loads, or a very few do use some factory match loads that work well for them in one of their barrels. I didn't see any tuners, now maybe I've just forgotten but sure haven't made an impression on me as to $$ well spent.
So spending ~$250 - that much on a piece of gear that might provide a small benefit, doesn't make sense to me. I did a review of brakes couple yrs ago, to see who evaluated them for actual recoil reduction and muzzle rise, to see some, again, objective tests with repeatable data. That's how I landed on the VG 65 gamma's. Costing from $50-$75 and using a jam nut means they are cost effective and self "tunable" so you don't spend $150 on a GS doing the mounting/tuning of the brake onto your barrel.
For a 24" 6 Arc, like I mentioned, the recoil is right minimal, less than a 223 IMO.
Load workups work. And they allow you to get familiar with your gun, which is a definite need.