Hi, I am a past Indiana resident now living in Tucson after retirement. I love hunting coyotes and have had a lot of guns and calibers over the years. I am working toward a 6mm ARC and have already picked up a Bell and Carson stock, new bottom metal, a new base and am hoping for the Howa mini action to start being produced in 6mm ARC
. If not I’ll pick up a Grendel and switch out the barrel. Just found the site and hoping to learn a little.
Just stating up front, I am the developer of the 6mmAR, the 6mmAR Turbo and the 6mmAR Turbo 40, all based off the 6.5 Grendel case. It was no surprise that someone (Hornady in this case) ultimately commercialized a 6mm cartridge similar to the 6mmAR. What I did not expect was to see the name of the cartridge I named as a part of the name of the commercial cartridge (i.e. 6mm ARC vs my 6mmAR). I guess I should be flattered that someone thought enough about what I created to copy it, but in another sense what Hornady has done by making the name of their cartridge so similar to mine is confuse a lot of people as to the differences between the two.
So here's the rub - the 6mm ARC is essentially very close to a 6mmAR, but the 6mm ARC gives up 2 gr of water capacity to the 6mmAR (6mm ARC has a 34 gr water capacity vs 6mmAR that is 36 gr of water capacity) and this occurs because the body of the 6mm ARC case is about .027" shorter than the 6mmAR, and the overall case length is .030" shorter.
I have heard statements that the 6mm ARC is the "optimum 6mm" for an AR-15 cartridge, but I do not agree with that because the AR-15 platform can handle a longer and larger case with that case head, with better capacity, better velocity, and give up nothing anywhere else in terms of accuracy, reliability and functionality (i.e. our 6mmAR Turbo 40 has shown that and the T40 has a proven record in the mid-range and long-range match circuits of 600 and 1000 yards respectively). When you can push the 105 - 108 gr 6mm bullets out at 2800 fps with .5 MOA accuracy - - now you have a real long range contender.
Regardless of the above, I won't take anything away from the 6mm ARC - - like it's big brother the 6mmAR, the 6mmARC is inherently accurate as all get out, it can feed with super reliability out of an AR-15, and it has the capacity to shoot the 105 - 108 gr bullets with excellent velocities out of an AR-15 while maintaining superb accuracy. When you top it all off with the plethora of great 6mm bullets in the marketplace, as well as the availability of good magazines, great brass for it, and now factory ammo for the 6mm ARC, how can you lose?
From extensive testing, the powders that I have found to be best with the 6mmAR and the 6mm ARC, with bullets in the 90 - 108 gr range, especially for magazine length loadings of 2.265" OAL are: H4895, RL15, AR Comp, VVN140 and VVN540 (with my personal preferences being H4895 and N140). The reason I say these powders is that they are the slowest burning (stick) powders that will allow you to get to a max pressure load (highest velocity) before you transition into a compressed loading that starts to sabotage consistent accuracy. There are some ball powders that will give superb velocities but if you looking for true consistent accuracy, they typically just never make the grade over the wide ranges of temperature, humidity and atmospheric pressures one might be shooting in. I also never found more compressed loads to shoot with consistent accuracy either, and that's one reason why Varget is not on my preferred list of powers (i.e. mostly too bulky for magazine fed loads with big bullets - when you get to the point where the velocity starts to get in a decent spot, you're typically compressing the load too much - and the 6mm ARC is worse than the 6mmAR there because of its smaller capacity). When I say consistent accuracy I am talking about consistency tight 10 shot groups. If you're ok with a 1.5 MOA gun then you may be ok with ball powders and heavier compressed loads. When you hear a stick powder crunching as you load your bullets, it's too compressed and Varget is notorious for that in the 6mmAR and the 6mmARC. Powders like Benchmark, 8208XBR, and some others in that burn range work ok but they typically pressure up too fast and too high with the big bullets, especially since their burn rate is faster - - ok for varmint loads with lighter bullets, but not optimum with the heavies.
As for brass, I love Lapua brass, and that brass is very consistent and has the hardest case head and body, yet with a very well annealed neck and shoulder. In the 6mmAR, the 6mmAR Turbo and the 6mmAR Turbo 40 I have never found better brass. Hornady is decent brass but I have not found it can handle the pressures Lapua brass can. The truth is you can rather easily make 6mmARC brass from 6.5 Grendel brass. Take your 6.5 Grendel brass and lay out the cases on newspaper in a line side by side with the mouths pointing away from you, then use Hornady OneShot spray lube to spray the neck and shoulder area of the cases, let them sit a few minutes and roll them a half a turn and spray the neck and shoulder area again, let them sith a few minutes, then run them through your Hornady 6mm ARC sizing die. What you will then have is a 6mm ARC brass case that's .030" too long in the neck area - so you need to trim it to around 1.490" OAL. I hate trimming but I do it when I need to - so I do it - and you can make yourself some truly great brass for your 6mm ARC. You can do that with Lapua 6.5 Grendel brass, with Hornady 6.5 Grendel brass, or Starline 6.5 Grendel brass - - I've done it with all of them, but they will all need to be trimmed when all is said and done.
Today's testing using an 6mm ARC upper I built up with a 16" barrel (4 groove cut rifled barrel 1:7.5" twist) with a SAAMI 6mm ARC chamber:
26 gr of H4895, CCI BR4 primer, Berger 105 gr BT, Lapua reformed and trimmed 6.5 Grendel brass, 2.265" OAL magazine fed = 2453 fps - .505" 5 shot group - accuracy excellent.
27 gr H4895, CCI BR4 primer, Berger 105 gr BT, Lapua reformed and trimmed 6.5 Grendel brass, 2.265" OAL = 2565 fps = .457" 5 shot group - max load - can go higher but looking at the brass and flatness of primer, that's about as high as I would want to go - and accuracy was great.
27 gr H4895, CCI BR4 primer, Berger 105 gr BT, Hornady reformed and trimmed 6.5 Grendel brass, 2.265" OAL = 2572 fps = .637" 5 shot group - absolute max load - can go higher but looking at brass and flatness of primer, that's about as high as one might consider going. Hornady brass showing more pressure signs than Lapua brass (e.g. some signs of "flowback" starting of brass into extractor and ejector recesses in bolt face - not bad, but visible upon close inspection - brass would not be good for multiple reloads with a load this hot).
Going to put together 20" and 24" barreled uppers and I am optimistic the 24" upper will yield the best velocities (likely 2700-2750 fps with the 27 gr H4895 loading, with the 20" being likely about 75 fps slower).
Picture shows two 6mm ARC cartridges, with Hornady reformed and trimmed 6.5 Grendel brass on left and with Lapua reformed and trimmed 6.5 Grendel brass on right. Other pic shows .457" 5 shot group from 27 gr. load of H4895 with Lapua brass noted above. Other pic shows upper with heavy walled upper receive and side charging handle, etc.
I was checking Hodgdons load data to see what some of the lighter 6mm bullets I've accumulated would do in my 6x45 and the velocities struck me as pretty good. Really good, frankly, compared to the ranges Hornady published for 6 ARC. So I decided to do a comparison. I picked 80s since that was what I was looking at and the 3 powders with crossover are H4895, XBR and H335. Hornady data is for an 18" so I adjusted them up 25 fps per inch and added 150 fps to compare with Hodgdon's 24" data. Hornady data is for a GMX; Hodgdon for a Speer Soft Point. For anyone not familiar with it, 6x45 is .223 necked out to 6mm:
6ARC case holds 34 grains of water; .223 holds 28.8gr
Yes we know the Hornady data is slow, but I'm doing 2990 fps with 70 gr NBTVs and 25.2 grains of Benchmark out of my 24" 6x45; Hodgdon gives 2960 for 27.0 grains. I was up around 3200 at 27.0 and after much mental anguish, decided that was too good to be safe.
All I can do is scratch my head!
243 LBC on the left with 80 grain Speer Soft Point; 6x45 on right with 70 gr NBTV. Caliper to show 243 LBC/6ARC case size difference. 6x45 is loaded at 2.31" and will only work in an ASC mag.
I have really been enjoying my Odin barreled rifle, and decided to build another one with a Faxon barrel I had in my stash. I tried to replicate the other rifle as close as I could get it. Really the only thing that is different is the barrel and the color. I did this one to help save the other barrel, I plan on getting back into competition.
Thinking of trying some 95 gr Nosler BT's in my 20", using 2520. I like Lever the best but am saving it for the 103 Eldx's, and at 95 grs the 2520 should be able to do ok for me.
I did a comparator length measure for them, and in this barrel they touch lands at 2.222, so I'll probably seat them at 2.200 to start.
Since Nosler doesn't have any data, think it would be ok to work up using the Hornady 95 data?
Will be shooting over my magnetospeed.
Anyone try these? $12.28/100 at Midsouth, which is cheaper than any 50+ grain .224 bullet on ammoseek as of now (Hornady 55 gr FMJ is 13¢ per!). If 7.62x39 brass works for me, it'll be cheaper high volume ammo than .223, use large rifle primers and be effective on 2 legged varmints if it comes to that. 1.5 - 2 MOA would be fine....
